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	<title>Comments on: Healthcare Solutions for Full Time Travelers &#8211; Excuse #10</title>
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	<description>Technomads Chris Dunphy &#38; Cherie Ve Ard are full time RVers in a vintage bus conversion. Living, playing &#38; working on the road full time.</description>
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		<title>By: soultravelers3</title>
		<link>http://www.technomadia.com/2010/03/excuses-healthcare/comment-page-1/#comment-11247</link>
		<dc:creator>soultravelers3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 16:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It makes me so sad to hear about the horrors of USA health care. It is shameful. 

We save a TON of money &amp; get MUCH better health care by roaming the world instead of the USA. 

Sad to say, but I think it will continue to get worse in America as the economy continues to decline as the dollar is still in horrible shape due to the enormous debt. 

We use IMG, but pick a high deductible just like we did in the US. I think the main reason to have insurance is for asset protection in case one gets a major problem. 

A friend in the US had a similar injury to my recent surgery, hospitalization in Austria. Her&#039;s cost over $100,000. I got better care and over a week in the hospital,ambulance, tests, xrays , medicine, etc &amp; physical therapy for a month for just $2500. It would have all been free for an Austrian.

We have had a lot of great dental work done in several countries by top dentists, for a tiny fraction of what it would cost in the US.

We were a little worried when we took off in 2006 as we did not know exactly what to expect, but the health care, costs and quality of life is soooooo much better here in Europe, it would be very hard to go back to live in the US. Most of our health care is free here &amp; MD&#039;s make house calls!

On top of that, I have a few fantastic alternative healers ( one is an MD/PhD who also does Chinese Medicine) that can work with us over Skype or email that have been great to have as a health resource. I will do a series on that one of these days.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It makes me so sad to hear about the horrors of USA health care. It is shameful. </p>
<p>We save a TON of money &amp; get MUCH better health care by roaming the world instead of the USA. </p>
<p>Sad to say, but I think it will continue to get worse in America as the economy continues to decline as the dollar is still in horrible shape due to the enormous debt. </p>
<p>We use IMG, but pick a high deductible just like we did in the US. I think the main reason to have insurance is for asset protection in case one gets a major problem. </p>
<p>A friend in the US had a similar injury to my recent surgery, hospitalization in Austria. Her&#8217;s cost over $100,000. I got better care and over a week in the hospital,ambulance, tests, xrays , medicine, etc &amp; physical therapy for a month for just $2500. It would have all been free for an Austrian.</p>
<p>We have had a lot of great dental work done in several countries by top dentists, for a tiny fraction of what it would cost in the US.</p>
<p>We were a little worried when we took off in 2006 as we did not know exactly what to expect, but the health care, costs and quality of life is soooooo much better here in Europe, it would be very hard to go back to live in the US. Most of our health care is free here &amp; MD&#8217;s make house calls!</p>
<p>On top of that, I have a few fantastic alternative healers ( one is an MD/PhD who also does Chinese Medicine) that can work with us over Skype or email that have been great to have as a health resource. I will do a series on that one of these days.<br />
.-= soultravelers3&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://www.soultravelers3.com/2010/03/funniest-kids-soultravelers3-family-travel-best-funny-youtube-global-kids-hilarious-sweden-trumpet-v.html" rel="nofollow">Funniest Kids! Soultravelers3 Family Travel</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Cherie Ve Ard</title>
		<link>http://www.technomadia.com/2010/03/excuses-healthcare/comment-page-1/#comment-11084</link>
		<dc:creator>Cherie Ve Ard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 15:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We also have high deductible HSA&#039;s via a nationwide PPO.  While the insurance itself doesn&#039;t pay until I&#039;ve reached $5k out of pocket each year, the benefit I do get is the negotiated rates of the PPO.  Which is significantly less than rack rate.  So, there are advantages even to a high deductible plan that you may not be seeing immediate benefit from.  So, what I did was figure out what I was previously spending on my old HMO insurance a year, and selected that (minus my new lower premium) as my deductible. This way, unless I actually need the insurance, I&#039;m actually saving lots of cash - but not risking more than I was previously budgeting for.  I contribute to the HSA (which is immediately tax deductible), and tap into that for any healthcare costs. 

And bonus, my plan has a decreasing deductible - every 6 months it drops by $500 (down to eventually $1500), which essentially works out that most of my premiums are going towards my deductible.  Which is pretty darn cool.    Chris has an extra rider on his that pays upfront the first $500 of preventive care each year, and the first $5k of costs for emergency accidents (as he paramotors, he&#039;s more likely to need medical care for that, than anything else). 

When there are mandates for certain coverages - you are still paying for them via increased premiums within that state (or will eventually when they re-rate you if it&#039;s a newer mandate). So good on you to utilize them!  I do suspect that we will see increased premiums around the nation to cover all the pre-existing conditions, and requiring coverage once the HCR kicks in.  The true key to reform and reducing costs is a massive sweeping change to the entire healthcare system, not just insurance.   But.. one step at a time... it&#039;s a huge complicated mess to clean up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We also have high deductible HSA&#8217;s via a nationwide PPO.  While the insurance itself doesn&#8217;t pay until I&#8217;ve reached $5k out of pocket each year, the benefit I do get is the negotiated rates of the PPO.  Which is significantly less than rack rate.  So, there are advantages even to a high deductible plan that you may not be seeing immediate benefit from.  So, what I did was figure out what I was previously spending on my old HMO insurance a year, and selected that (minus my new lower premium) as my deductible. This way, unless I actually need the insurance, I&#8217;m actually saving lots of cash &#8211; but not risking more than I was previously budgeting for.  I contribute to the HSA (which is immediately tax deductible), and tap into that for any healthcare costs. </p>
<p>And bonus, my plan has a decreasing deductible &#8211; every 6 months it drops by $500 (down to eventually $1500), which essentially works out that most of my premiums are going towards my deductible.  Which is pretty darn cool.    Chris has an extra rider on his that pays upfront the first $500 of preventive care each year, and the first $5k of costs for emergency accidents (as he paramotors, he&#8217;s more likely to need medical care for that, than anything else). </p>
<p>When there are mandates for certain coverages &#8211; you are still paying for them via increased premiums within that state (or will eventually when they re-rate you if it&#8217;s a newer mandate). So good on you to utilize them!  I do suspect that we will see increased premiums around the nation to cover all the pre-existing conditions, and requiring coverage once the HCR kicks in.  The true key to reform and reducing costs is a massive sweeping change to the entire healthcare system, not just insurance.   But.. one step at a time&#8230; it&#8217;s a huge complicated mess to clean up.</p>
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		<title>By: Rene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 22:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoo, you&#039;ve opened up a scary topic here! Excellent post.

OK, so you probably saw me bitch about insurance on Ramona Creel&#039;s site when she wrote about it recently. Count &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.liveworkdream.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jim and I&lt;/a&gt; in as two business owners who for the least decade, have never been able to really use our individual insurance coverage that we pay through the nose for, because we have a ten-freekin-thousand dollar deductible on it. It&#039;s a PPO policy that is, like you said, regionally based. 

As nomads, we just don&#039;t get sick (knock wood). We&#039;ve been to urgent care clinics that cost us  much less than a doctor&#039;s visit, which has saved our butts. But other than that, we pay for EVERYTHING. We have a policy we can&#039;t afford to use unless we&#039;re on death&#039;s door. Go figure.

Now that we have a home base in Colorado, I was thrilled to learn that our new insurance company (Humana) will pay for complete physicals for both of us, including those icky scans and tests required when you get to be of a certain age. There&#039;s no way I would them done at all if Humana didn&#039;t pay for it, because it would&#039;ve cost us a minimum of $3,000 to do them. So why does Humana pay for it? Because the State of Colorado is the only one in the country who now requires all health insurance companies doing business there to provide full physicals to members. Imagine that! What an awesome, real life example of government mandated health care requirements.

Still, there&#039;s idiots screaming about social medicine and &quot;Obama care.&quot; Well, I assume they would rather pay for these things themselves, right? I&#039;ll bet if these hypocrites had Humana in Colorado like we do, they&#039;d be ALL over it.

Now, the only problem...we have to get back to Colorado to have this stuff done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoo, you&#8217;ve opened up a scary topic here! Excellent post.</p>
<p>OK, so you probably saw me bitch about insurance on Ramona Creel&#8217;s site when she wrote about it recently. Count <a href="http://www.liveworkdream.com" rel="nofollow">Jim and I</a> in as two business owners who for the least decade, have never been able to really use our individual insurance coverage that we pay through the nose for, because we have a ten-freekin-thousand dollar deductible on it. It&#8217;s a PPO policy that is, like you said, regionally based. </p>
<p>As nomads, we just don&#8217;t get sick (knock wood). We&#8217;ve been to urgent care clinics that cost us  much less than a doctor&#8217;s visit, which has saved our butts. But other than that, we pay for EVERYTHING. We have a policy we can&#8217;t afford to use unless we&#8217;re on death&#8217;s door. Go figure.</p>
<p>Now that we have a home base in Colorado, I was thrilled to learn that our new insurance company (Humana) will pay for complete physicals for both of us, including those icky scans and tests required when you get to be of a certain age. There&#8217;s no way I would them done at all if Humana didn&#8217;t pay for it, because it would&#8217;ve cost us a minimum of $3,000 to do them. So why does Humana pay for it? Because the State of Colorado is the only one in the country who now requires all health insurance companies doing business there to provide full physicals to members. Imagine that! What an awesome, real life example of government mandated health care requirements.</p>
<p>Still, there&#8217;s idiots screaming about social medicine and &#8220;Obama care.&#8221; Well, I assume they would rather pay for these things themselves, right? I&#8217;ll bet if these hypocrites had Humana in Colorado like we do, they&#8217;d be ALL over it.</p>
<p>Now, the only problem&#8230;we have to get back to Colorado to have this stuff done.</p>
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		<title>By: Olivia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Olivia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 16:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link Cheri! Another big consideration is your current health (&amp; pre-existing conditions) and your age. For young, healthy backpackers an emergency insurance is usually the smartest option, but if you anticipate using the insurance it&#039;s definitely worth the research. :)
.-= Olivia&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bootsnall.com/articles/10-04/fa-12-countries-less-visited.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;12 Less Visited Countries and Why You Should Go There Now&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link Cheri! Another big consideration is your current health (&amp; pre-existing conditions) and your age. For young, healthy backpackers an emergency insurance is usually the smartest option, but if you anticipate using the insurance it&#8217;s definitely worth the research. <img src='http://www.technomadia.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
.-= Olivia&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://www.bootsnall.com/articles/10-04/fa-12-countries-less-visited.html" rel="nofollow">12 Less Visited Countries and Why You Should Go There Now</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Cherie Ve Ard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cherie Ve Ard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 13:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of states do seem to have something equivalent to this to help insure those without insurance - and this is great overall!   In specific to Cover Florida - it all comes down then to the same issues when evaluating a plan for being traveler friendly - how wide spread is the network?   And that seems to be specific to the individual providers participating in this program.   Looks like BCBS is participating, and other travelers have found plans with them that work for traveling - so this may indeed be an option for those who have been without insurance for a while.   

I think for those who are already covered tho, and looking to switch to a travel-friendly plan - this would be a scary route to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of states do seem to have something equivalent to this to help insure those without insurance &#8211; and this is great overall!   In specific to Cover Florida &#8211; it all comes down then to the same issues when evaluating a plan for being traveler friendly &#8211; how wide spread is the network?   And that seems to be specific to the individual providers participating in this program.   Looks like BCBS is participating, and other travelers have found plans with them that work for traveling &#8211; so this may indeed be an option for those who have been without insurance for a while.   </p>
<p>I think for those who are already covered tho, and looking to switch to a travel-friendly plan &#8211; this would be a scary route to go.</p>
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		<title>By: Japhy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Japhy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 12:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you ever looked into the Cover Florida plans that were mandated by the FL legislature for residents who have been without insurance for 6 months? (http://www.coverfloridahealthcare.com)

I haven&#039;t looked very closely at it just yet, but it seems that it may be an option for travelers who are willing to domicile in FL (as many do already). I&#039;d be really interested to hear your take on it if you have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you ever looked into the Cover Florida plans that were mandated by the FL legislature for residents who have been without insurance for 6 months? (<a href="http://www.coverfloridahealthcare.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.coverfloridahealthcare.com</a>)</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t looked very closely at it just yet, but it seems that it may be an option for travelers who are willing to domicile in FL (as many do already). I&#8217;d be really interested to hear your take on it if you have.</p>
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		<title>By: Cherie Ve Ard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cherie Ve Ard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 04:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are options..  they&#039;re fewer than a stationary person has to select from.. but at least they are there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are options..  they&#8217;re fewer than a stationary person has to select from.. but at least they are there.</p>
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		<title>By: Cherie Ve Ard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cherie Ve Ard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 04:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the info, Louise.  Does your BCBS plan give you fairly decent nationwide access &#039;in network&#039; ?  

Your premiums sounds pretty in line with what we&#039;re playing for our plans, which is about $3300/year combined.  Considering I was paying near $6000/yr for just my small business group HMO plan, that didn&#039;t really cover me while I traveled - I&#039;m pretty happy with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the info, Louise.  Does your BCBS plan give you fairly decent nationwide access &#8216;in network&#8217; ?  </p>
<p>Your premiums sounds pretty in line with what we&#8217;re playing for our plans, which is about $3300/year combined.  Considering I was paying near $6000/yr for just my small business group HMO plan, that didn&#8217;t really cover me while I traveled &#8211; I&#8217;m pretty happy with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Cherie Ve Ard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cherie Ve Ard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 04:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a great idea in concept... but the fact of the matter is, there&#039;s likely not enough of us to negotiate the buying power we&#039;d need to effect that sort of change.   Our best bet would be to form some sort of corporate structure that we all held shares in to qualify as materially participating in.. and then buy a group plan.  Problem with that is..  we&#039;d all have to be domiciled in the same state and have compatible needs for insurance and prove we&#039;re a business for purposes other than buying insurance.  And at that point, it almost becomes like herding cats :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a great idea in concept&#8230; but the fact of the matter is, there&#8217;s likely not enough of us to negotiate the buying power we&#8217;d need to effect that sort of change.   Our best bet would be to form some sort of corporate structure that we all held shares in to qualify as materially participating in.. and then buy a group plan.  Problem with that is..  we&#8217;d all have to be domiciled in the same state and have compatible needs for insurance and prove we&#8217;re a business for purposes other than buying insurance.  And at that point, it almost becomes like herding cats <img src='http://www.technomadia.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Karl P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 04:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps a group of nomadic individuals should join together, and see if there&#039;s an insurance provider willing to write a plan to cover the group, taking into consideration the unique needs of the nomadic lifestyle.  Do you think any insurers would entertain such a thing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps a group of nomadic individuals should join together, and see if there&#8217;s an insurance provider willing to write a plan to cover the group, taking into consideration the unique needs of the nomadic lifestyle.  Do you think any insurers would entertain such a thing?</p>
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		<title>By: Fierytree</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fierytree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 22:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks so much for this post! It has definitely been a concern of mine when considering the nomad lifestyle. Having had the joy of paying Cobra rates when unemployed, I was worried what options would be out there for someone on the road.
You provided a lot of great information, thanks!
.-= Fierytree&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/fierytree/statuses/11174196176&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;fierytree: It shouldn&#039;t, but it always surprises me that I don&#039;t listen to a song for years (from my youth), hear it, and can sing every word.&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks so much for this post! It has definitely been a concern of mine when considering the nomad lifestyle. Having had the joy of paying Cobra rates when unemployed, I was worried what options would be out there for someone on the road.<br />
You provided a lot of great information, thanks!<br />
.-= Fierytree&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://twitter.com/fierytree/statuses/11174196176" rel="nofollow">fierytree: It shouldn&#8217;t, but it always surprises me that I don&#8217;t listen to a song for years (from my youth), hear it, and can sing every word.</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Louise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 21:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We also have a high-deductible HSA (Health Savings Account). It allows us to put some cash away tax-deferred. (Since we have no earned income, we are ineligible for an IRA.) Our coverage is Blue Cross/Blue Shield out of Washington state, and just recently the plan expanded greatly to cover many other states.

We are in our late 40s, and pay about $4000 per year for the premiums for both of us for this insurance, plus the cash we put away into the HSA itself. Having been self-employed, I consider this pretty reasonable for non-group insurance.
.-= Louise&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://ourodyssey.blogspot.com/2010/03/closet-full-of-skeletons.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A closet full of skeletons&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We also have a high-deductible HSA (Health Savings Account). It allows us to put some cash away tax-deferred. (Since we have no earned income, we are ineligible for an IRA.) Our coverage is Blue Cross/Blue Shield out of Washington state, and just recently the plan expanded greatly to cover many other states.</p>
<p>We are in our late 40s, and pay about $4000 per year for the premiums for both of us for this insurance, plus the cash we put away into the HSA itself. Having been self-employed, I consider this pretty reasonable for non-group insurance.<br />
.-= Louise&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://ourodyssey.blogspot.com/2010/03/closet-full-of-skeletons.html" rel="nofollow">A closet full of skeletons</a> =-.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Answers to Common Excuses not to Travel Full-Time &#124; Tales from Technomadia</dc:creator>
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